hey, ive just signed up today and thought id share what im thinking of doing to my vtr in the near future!

im thinking of buy the vts 16v head, wiring loom and ecu, and remapping the ecu.

next month im going to be buying lowering springs then some Team Dynamics 16" monza r and spraying them vivid orange.

if anyone has any tuning tips or any tuning ideas then please do post them and ill read and consider them all!!

thanks alot

Tom.

what are you planning on doing with the VTS head? bearing in mind you have an 8v?
I think it has been done, but wont be easy and costs a fair ammount of cash for limited gains, unless someone else knows otherwise??

Would take that money and spend it on buying a full suspension setup including shock rather than just getting springs. Don't forget the rear is lowered by adjusting the torsion bar so depending on the condition of this will depend on how much places will charge you to adjust it, also have a think about what you ultimately want to achieve from your car. Just lowering on springs may improve looks but wont do your ride quality or handling any favours.

Simple breathing mods, full suspension, brakes and tyres are what you should take a look at first really.

i was going to port and polish the vts head and replace mine, so insted of 8v i will then have 16v and more power. or do you think i should just port and polish my 8v head?

and i mainly just want it lowered for looks, aswell and handling, but what i want from my vtr is power to be honest. i was going to get a turbo conversion, but that costs the same as what i paid for the car, £2500, so i though i would try and get power gains from other places, but would like to know where those other places are!

im going to get my ECU remapped by Elite Remaps (EliteRemaps.co m) for £200 and they have said that will give me an extra 13-15 BHP. i already have a powerflow from the cat back system 2.5in pipe with a 4in tailpipe and a air filter on the car, and then ive had alot of out going payments to make, so its stopped there for the moment.

you wont be able to 16v the 8v i looked into it because my head was a bit spooned on my vtr... i say you wont it is possible but the oil journals dont really match up too well i remember sandy telling me and youll have to tap the side of the bottom end for a 2nd tensioner and edit mounts, exhaust ignition maybe fuel pump and lines but if your doing the ecu thing then.. yeah...
it would be cheaper and easyer to get a full vts engine do the conversion and keep the vtr box
port and polish your 8v
only polish the exhaust ports. and just port your inlets ...dont polish them... decat the exhaust get a manifold and strip the interior

im now also saving up what ever 2,000 euros is in £ for a DP Engineering turbo kit including th stainless steel manifold. its a garret turbo, and the systems will give about 260bhp, or i could spend abit more and get the 300bhp system, but i think im going to spend that money on some cams or a turbo control unit.

well fair enough go for it
not to put a downer on everything but remember to turbo a car you need to lower the compression to ideally 8:1 and if you want to run any form of boost for your 300 bhp youll need forged rods and pistons, bolts mls headgasket intercooler or charge cooler all pipework etc.. youll need oil lines for the turbo plus an oil cooler new injectors to keep fuelling and ecu to get everything running just fan dabby dosey on top of that youll need the cams lifters valves etc.. then if your playing with 300bhp youll have to do the brakes....
in the grand scheme of things take the budget ur looking at saving and proberbly double it.
in reality its very hard to get over 200bhp from an 8v on a low buget or even turbo a car without a couple of grand..
but if you want to. save ur ass off and do it and sorry if i seem evil but best you know whats involved.

shaggy

Personally i would sort the brakes and suspension up before i even start with power.

260+ bhp with standard brakes and just springs is crazy

if you want a powerful car, dont buy a saxo.

yeah im going to be lowering it then starting on the brakes, i might do a big brake conversion, but i havent desided yet.

and yeah shaggy i kno whats ahead for me if i want to go ahead and turbo my saxo lol! but im looking forward to everything i have to do!

and my vtr is fairly powerful atm, beating a fair few prople off the lights, and in races etc.

yeah fair enough man it is a difficult and expensive task. and vtrs are quite quick but vts are faster and better for tuning twin cams are better for acceleration vts and then turbo or do something new turbos have been done in and so have superchargers see how high powered you can get a n/a engine lol

see now thats a good idea, i might do that then turbo my car, because im a big sucker for the wastegate sound!

but yeah shaggy ima give that a go! but where shall i start first? ive already got a stainless steel from cat back powerflow system, an air filter, and was going to chip the ECU but was waiting till i turbocharge the car for that, what you think?

any tips and pointers send them my way! what about the cams and pulleys? will samco hoses make any difference?

ill read and take any advice! thanks.

well personally id strip a 2nd engine and clean and rebuild from the ground up. only changing whats technically needed new rings new shells new bearings and get a mls headgasket well worth it.
port and polish the head but only the exhaust side get a stainless fanimold lol heat wrap it. get a good cold air feed and filter. and use your stainless system get a decat pipe for m.o.t etc and swop and change when needed remove as much restrictions as possible to exhaust and inlet anything stopping airflow will suck power port and polish your throttle body and get a quality remap. that should be good for 140-150bhp maybe more on a vts and maybe 120 on a vtr
the next step will be throttle bodys or ideally a set of webber or delorto carbs if tuned properly they will desimate any injection and they sound amazing on the overrun.
failing that a good comprimise is r1 or r6 carbs on a bogg bros manifold will make a good healthy few bhp especially with like you said cams and pullys and headwork
try drop as much weight from the car as possible and try alloy bottom pulleys and lightened flywheels. get as much cold air in the engine bay as possible and drill as much unneeded weight from the bodywork to increase the power to weight ratio..
the clutch wont really be a problem till you hit the 200bhp mark but a good paddle should do it after that. but be careful when using MA gearbox's there not terribly strong but should survive to about 250bhp before giving up
ive seen lately one of the most powerful 1.6 n/a enignes is 185 bhp or something so aim for 200 maybe more bhp but im sure someone will correct me soon enough lol

i can correct myself allready the new c2 has a tu5jp4 at 225 bhp n/a so try for 300 remember to beef up engine mounts and bushes for some piece of mind get some group n or a mounts just to be safe

oh i forgot to say too samcos wont make an immense amout of difference but will help over standard for cooling and induction bigger bores and less chance of collapse

that was alot to take in at 8am!! lol. yeah a while back i asked my dad if im can have a shed in the garden and i was going to buy a citreon xara 2.0 engine and tune that up, but nothing has happened yet to be honest!

either that engine or i was going to buy a vts one, and put it on a engine mount, the one that you can turn the engine upside down etc.

ive heard that the 2.0 lump will fit nicely in my bay and that the mounts are in the same place, now i find this abit hard to believe, so are they??

thats all i can think of right now!.................

well if your going the 2.0 lump go for the gti-6 lump so much more tuning avaliable or if you go for the vts go for the newer vts engines the tujp4's from c2s etc they have bigger valves and ports. im after one so if you find one let me know too lol
most citroen and peugeot engines will fit in either a saxo, 106, ax, 205, 306, tbh almost every citroen and pug and even some renaults have the same mounts and therefore interchangeable engines.
if you go for the gti-6 you may be able to fit the 6 speed box too, i know in a 205 you cant because of steering lock but it might work in the saxo im not sure.
plus the gti-6 is a xu engine i think which has a BE box and therefore a stronger box than the MA of the tu engines.